KICK & SNARE
PODCAST
Conversations with Creative Thinkers, Builders, and Visionaries
The Kick & Snare Podcast finds the groove at the intersection of media, music, and technology. Host Michael Nevins interviews creatives, executives, and changemakers driving innovation. These conversations explore how creativity, technology, and business intersect to drive meaningful impact.
Latest Episode
Is AI a Revolution Like Electricity? Cliff Fluet on Music Rights & What’s Next
Cliff Fluet (partner at Louis Silkin, joint head of Media & Entertainment; Chair of Music Technology UK; founder of Eleven Advisory) joins Michael Nevins to unpack how music, tech, and IP are colliding in the age of AI.
We cover: why MusicTechnology UK focuses on funding + ecosystem building, why Cliff believes AI is a paradigm shift on the scale of electricity, and his core argument: “Copyright isn’t the problem. Licensing is the answer.”
Plus: the case for focusing on outputs vs inputs, the music industry’s data problem, and practical advice for founders and people breaking into music tech.
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Cliff Fluet (Louis Silkin): https://www.lewissilkin.com/experts/cliff-fluet
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Music Technology UK: https://musictechnology.uk/
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Eleven Advisory: https://elevenadvisory.com/
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Privacy Law, Songwriting, and Collaboration: How Alan Chappell Gets The Mix Right
In this episode, host Michael Nevins welcomes guest Alan Chappell, President of Chappell and Associates, ad tech privacy expert, and multifaceted musician. Alan shares insights into balancing a demanding legal career with his passion for music, discussing his songwriting process, the impact of AI on the creative industry, and experiences working with renowned producers like Jimmy Einer and Jerry Harrison. The conversation explores the evolution of music technology, incorporating personal anecdotes about Alan's musical journey and his perspectives on the integration of creativity and business. Alan also offers advice for aspiring creatives, emphasizing the importance of embracing chaos in the creative process.
More about Alan and his music: https://thisischapell.com/
Music by Chappell on Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/artist/463ZHxhSBM4CUqtLqWArrg?si=BGLr3TnKTkOworQ8Ui8EVw
And More about Chappell & Associates: https://thisischapell.com/chapellassociates/
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Drummer. Artist. Disruptor. Advocate. How Richard Burgess & A2IM Empower Independent Music
In this episode, host Michael Nevins talks with Richard James Burgess, President & CEO of A2IM (American Association of Independent Music). They explore what defines “independent,” how A2IM supports its member labels, the challenges of streaming payouts, the battle for fair compensation from platforms like TikTok, and what’s next for music and AI. Richard also shares stories and insights from his varied music career as a drummer, signed artist, producer, artist manager, label exec, and his current role at A2IM.
Fun facts: Richard coined the term “EDM” (Electronic Dance Music), produced Spandau Ballet, and was an innovator and early adopter in music tech, He contributed to the development of the the first Simmons electronic drum kits and championed the The Fairlight CMI, a ground breaking digital synthesizer, music sampler, and digital audio workstation, This episode is an essential listen for anyone passionate about independent music, digital rights, music tech, and innovation in the music industry.
More about A2IM: https://a2im.org/
The Story of Einstein A Go-Go: https://www.theguardian.com/culture/2023/jul/24/einstein-a-go-go-landscape-john-l-walters-richard-james-burgess
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Chantal Epp is Fixing Music Licensing for Cheerleading, Sports & Performing Arts
In this episode, I had a great time speaking with Chantal Epp, founder of ClicknClear, a music rights tech company solving licensing issues for choreographed sports like cheerleading, dance, and gymnastics. Chantal shares her journey from music licensing at a Peter Gabriel startup to becoming a two-time world champion cheerleader and creating a solution to a widespread problem in the sports and performing arts world.
We dive into:
✅ How ClicknClear helps athletes and teams license music legally
✅ The unique challenges of music rights for sports routines
✅ Building inclusive cheerleading programs & Paralympic initiatives
✅ The role of Music Technology UK in supporting founders
✅ Challenges facing music tech startups today
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👉 More about ClicknClear: https://www.clicknclear.com
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Katie Debrah on Music, Tech, and Entrepreneurship
I recently met with Katie Debrah, founder of Halo and Echo, a creative advertising consultancy for music, culture, and platforms. Katie shared her journey from YouTuber to marketing professional, recounting her years at Google in product and marketing, as well as her transition to becoming an independent consultant. She discussed her new venture, the HypeMuse app, which is designed to help independent artists focus more on their music than on self-promotion. Katie also discussed her involvement with Music Technology UK and the challenges currently facing music tech startups. Tune in to explore Katie's insights on the evolving relationship between tech and the music industry, her personal experiences, and her exciting new projects.
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📌 Learn more about Katie: https://www.linkedin.com/in/katiedebrah/
📌 Learn more about Halo & Echo: https://www.katiedebrah.com/
Stay tuned for follow-up conversations with more leaders from MTUK's membership.
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Remixing Mixing: How David Ronan & RoEx Are Making Music Creation More Accessible
In this third episode of our Music Technology UK Member Spotlight Series, I speak with David Ronan, founder and CEO of RoEx, a company that is revolutionizing audio production with AI-driven tools. We discuss the mission behind RoEx, the user experience, and the feedback received from musicians. David addresses concerns about AI in music production and shares insights on the role of Music Technology UK in supporting startups. The conversation also touches on the challenges faced by music tech startups and the future directions for RoEx, including expansion into film and TV post-production.
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📌 Learn more about David: https://www.linkedin.com/in/davidmronan1/
📌 Learn more about RoEx: https://www.roexaudio.com/
Stay tuned for follow-up conversations with more leaders from a variety of MTUK's membership.
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Hazel Savage on Syntho, Music Tech Startups, and the Power of Community
In this second episode of our Music Technology UK Member Spotlight Series, Michael Nevins speaks with Hazel Savage, CEO of Syntho and a music tech pioneer whose journey includes founding the AI startup Musio (later acquired by SoundCloud). Hazel discusses working across global music companies and now leading one of the UK’s most exciting music startups. Hazel opens up about her fast-track return from “retirement,” what makes Syntho different in a world flooded with online music education, and how community insights drive product innovation. They explore themes of gender equity in tech, IP in the age of AI, what makes a startup fundable, and the role of organizations like Music Technology UK in elevating early-stage companies. Whether you're into music, startups, or the business of innovation, this one’s packed with sharp insights and fun stories.
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📌 Learn more about Hazel: https://www.linkedin.com/in/hazelsavage/
📌 Learn more about Syntho: https://www.synthohub.com
Stay tuned for follow-up conversations with more leaders from a variety of MTUK's membership.
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Beyond the Beat: Gary Jones on Music as Medicine
In this first episode of our Music Technology UK Member Spotlight Series, I sit down with Gary Jones, CEO of MediMusic, to explore how personalized music is reshaping healthcare. Gary shares how MediMusic harnesses the science of sound to deliver therapeutic benefits—from easing anxiety to aiding recovery. We discuss the clinical evidence behind music as medicine, the challenges of navigating healthcare regulations, and the barriers music tech startups face, particularly around licensing and industry acceptance. The conversation also highlights Music Tech UK's role in supporting startups and the need for a more innovation-friendly environment in the sector. Stay tuned for follow-up conversations with more leaders from a variety of MTUK's membership.
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Matt Cartmell Is Cranking Up the Volume on UK Music Tech Innovation
In this episode of The Kick & Snare podcast, I interview Matt Carmel, Chief Executive of Music Technology UK. We discuss the mission, goals, and advocacy initiatives of Music Tech UK, as well as the innovations brought forth by its diverse membership. We cover a range of topics from AI's role in music creation to immersive live events and music for wellness. We also delve into Matt's career journey, highlighting the convergence of his passions for music, technology, and communications. Please tune in to learn more about Music Tech UK and stay tuned for follow-up conversations with leaders from a variety of MTUK's membership.
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Navigating Transformational Media: A Conversation with Elana Sofko
In this episode of Kick & Snare, I sit down with Elana Sofko, the founder and principal of EBS_AF, to discuss her fascinating career history and her current role in her consulting and advisory practice. Elana shares insights into her work at various technological and media inflection points, her early days as an audio engineer, and key moments at Sirius, A&E, Nokia, ESPN, WWE, and Chicken Soup for the Soul Entertainment. She also offers valuable advice for aspiring professionals and delves into gender dynamics in the industry. Tune in for an inspiring conversation filled with wisdom, innovation, and practical advice.
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Exploring the World of Digital Drums with Allan Leibowitz, Editor of digitalDrummer Magazine
In this episode of Kick & Snare, I sat down with Allan Leibowitz, founder and editor of digitalDrummer Magazine, to discuss the booming electronic drum market. Allan shares his journey from rediscovering drumming as an adult to launching the successful digitalDrummer Magazine. We delve into the technology behind electronic drums, the challenges and advantages, and their growing role in live performances and home studios. The conversation also explores the impact of electronic drums on music education and accessibility for differently-abled drummers. Tune in for an insightful discussion on how electronic drums are reshaping the drumming landscape.
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Gary Geller’s Tales From The Tour Bus - Part 2: From Tour Life to Digital Innovation
In this episode of the Kick & Snare Podcast, I welcome back my good friend Gary Geller, founder of Breakpoint Digital, for further conversation as Gary's experiences in the music industry and beyond just don’t fit in one show. Gary shares stories from attending iconic concerts like Led Zeppelin at MSG and Leon Russell at the Fillmore East to his career transitions from living on the road as a tour manager for various artists, including the Sex Pistols and Living Colour, to his significant contributions in the tech industry, notably with music content innovators, Muze. The journey encompasses his deep dive into music metadata, e-commerce, and later roles driving business forward with various digital companies. Throughout the discussion, Gary underscores the importance of relationships and being good to people in sustaining a successful and fulfilling career.
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Gary Geller's Tales From The Tour Bus - Part 1
In In this episode of the Kick & Snare Podcast, I welcome my good friend, Gary Geller, founder of Breakpoint Digital. Gary shares fascinating stories from his extensive career in the music industry, starting from his early days working with various bands to his pivotal role in the Rolling Stones' Steel Wheels tour. Gary and I discuss his innovative work with Effanel Music, his experiences with iconic bands like Van Halen, Living Colour, The Sex Pistols, and his adventures in tour and production management. Tune in for an inside look at the music industry's golden era and the personal journey of a seasoned professional. Don't miss part two for more of Gary’s tales from the road and back in the real world!
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Andrew Rosenman - Media with a Public Purpose: Advertising in Service of Society
In this episode, I interview Andrew Rosenman, the President of Arise Media Group, a leading Connected TV planning and buying agency. Celebrating almost 20 years in business, Andrew shares insights into his company's evolution and their role in public service campaigns. We delve into digital advertising and advanced TV and discuss the importance of media with a public purpose. From his early career, influenced by futuristic insights to leadership in digital media, Andrew provides perspectives on the industry's future. An engaging discussion filled with humor, history, and thought-provoking ideas about advertising, targeting, privacy, and more.
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A Conversation With Tobin Trevarthen: Unlocking Creativity and Narrative Design
In this episode, we dive deep into the world of narrative design with Tobin Travarthen, founder of Spatial Shift by Tobin. Tobin shares his journey from sales and business development to creating immersive workshops that help companies redefine their narratives. We explore the distinctions between storytelling and narrative creation, discuss the impact of AI on narrative development, and delve into Tobin's eclectic career, including his experiences as a DJ, and how these diverse backgrounds influence his innovative approaches today. Join us for an insightful conversation on creativity, neurodiversity in the workplace, and the evolving landscape of media and branding.
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